Friday, August 1, 2008

Torture and the United States of America

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One has to wonder what makes us different than al Qaeda or any other terrorist group when we stoop to their methods. Just HOW much can anyone trust what a tortured person says? I, for one, wouldn't put two cents on the information, after all, torture me and I'll tell you anything you want to hear and I'll make up what I don't know just to make it stop.

bush has turned my beloved country into the bad guys we are so afraid of. I despise him and his family. Power hungry, greedy bastards! They have put this nation in the toilet. And don't give me that crap about defending our freedoms, bush has done more to erase those freedoms than any other President. If history is true it will put him down as the WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY. My disgust and contempt for the man knows no bounds. I am grateful for the knowledge of KARMA. I know he will have to pay for what he has done, as a man and as a president, even if Congress and the Senate remain the gutless wonders they are now.

There is so much evidence against bush as a war criminal and cheney too. But, being the wealthy and powerful that they are they seem to be above the laws that you and I MUST obey. Ya, some shining examples here don'tcha think? But he would have us believe he is a Christian! LMAO! Christ would NEVER have done the things these men have done.

Factsheet: Military Commissions

On November 13, 2001, President Bush issued an executive order which purported to establish military commissions to try those captured in the “War on Terror.” Under the order, the President authorized trials by military commission upon a presidential determination that there was “reason to believe” a detainee is or was an Al Qaeda member or engaged in hostilities targeting the United States. The order narrowed the scope of procedural protections for military commissions relative to the traditional courts-martial process, sharply limited the avenues for review of commission decisions, and granted discretion to “close” any portion of the proceeding and thereby exclude the accused from access to relevant evidence or the hearing itself. Furthermore, the order allowed for the admission of coerced statements or statements made by absent or undisclosed sources. Click on the link above to read the full article.

I quote Vincent Warren here,

The United States has nothing legitimate to gain from prosecuting prisoners in military commissions at Guantanamo and a great deal to lose.

What kind of a nation have we become that we would rely on torture evidence, secret trials and an untested and deeply flawed system to impose the death penalty?

Our nation must abandon the failed experiment at Guantanamo. If the administration believes Mr. Al Qahtani has committed a crime, he should be charged and tried in a lawful proceeding worthy of our country.

Sincerely,

Vincent Warren
Executive Director

Vincent Warren is the Executive Director for the Center For Constitutional Rights http://ccrjustice.org a site I highly recommend.

As for bush denying that Waterboarding is torture, isn't that like Clinton saying, "I did NOT have sex with that Woman!" Ya bush, we believe you. NOT!

You will want to see this!

And our elected officials STILL refuse to do anything about George Walker Bush or Dick Cheney! I don't know how they sleep at night. Who says the Anti-Christ isn't alive and well and living in the White House? Our leaders are doing EVERYTHING in their power to make sure hate, fear and discontent live well with the average citizen while they live fat on the farm!

Look deep within your hearts America. Is this the way you want our beloved country to go? Do you think that by saying nothing, doing nothing, it will all just go away? Do you think that just because bush's term in office is almost over that things will change? You delude yourselves.

The IRS

Did you know the IRS was never legally ratified in Congress? That makes it an illegal tax garnered against the American Citizens. Think I'm lying? Try to find the law that supports it, I have. There isn't one. Did you know that the IRS isn't even an American Corporation? Well, it's true, it isn't. Did you know that by paying your taxes you are voluntarily giving up your 14th Amendment rights? I do now!

http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/31answers.htm

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1. Is the Internal Revenue Service (“IRS”) an organization within the U.S. Department of the Treasury?

Answer: No. The IRS is not an organization within the United States Department of the Treasury. The U.S. Department of the Treasury was organized by statutes now codified in Title 31 of the United States Code, abbreviated “31 U.S.C.” The only mention of the IRS anywhere in 31 U.S.C. §§ 301‑310 is an authorization for the President to appoint an Assistant General Counsel in the U.S. Department of the Treasury to be the Chief Counsel for the IRS. See 31 U.S.C. 301(f)(2).

At footnote 23 in the case of Chrysler Corp. v. Brown, 441 U.S. 281 (1979), the U.S. Supreme Court admitted that no organic Act for the IRS could be found, after they searched for such an Act all the way back to the Civil War, which ended in the year 1865 A.D. The Guarantee Clause in the U.S. Constitution guarantees the Rule of Law to all Americans (we are to be governed by Law and not by arbitrary bureaucrats). See Article IV, Section 4. Since there was no organic Act creating it, IRS is not a lawful organization.


So, you see that all the times the IRS seized property from individuals the were doing so illegally!

Former IRS Agent Joe Banister and Ron Paul On CNBC

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From Wikpedia we have the definition of the Taxing and Spending Clause:

Taxing and Spending Clause

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Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution, is known as the Taxing and Spending Clause. It is the clause that gives the federal government of the United States its power of taxation. Component parts of this clause are known as the General Welfare Clause and the Uniformity Clause.[1]


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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.

None of this refers to Individuals and their income, it refers to corporations and states. I've searched for HOURS and hours on the web trying to find the LAW that enables the IRS to collect taxes from individuals, but I can't find it and neither can a lot of other people.

Now, I admit our Government needs to run on something, but they too often give Corporations all the breaks while breaking the backs of the working stiff. When did this become a government for the corporation and not for WE The PEOPLE? Until they change it back, I for one, refuse to support them. Here is more.......

WND Exclusive

THE POWER TO DESTROY

Tax activists refute IRS claims
Former revenue chief: 'We're confiscating property now. That's socialism.


Posted: August 22, 2001
1:00 am Eastern
By Jon Dougherty

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

Editor's note: Brought about by the successful hunger strike of tax activist Bob Schulz, an historic meeting between the federal government and leaders of the "tax honesty movement" will take place in Washington, D.C., on Sept. 25 and 26. WorldNetDaily will be there to cover the proceedings. Leading up to this high-profile confrontation over the legality of the income tax, the following is the second in a series of reports discussing an internal document from the Internal Revenue Service's own website. The document is intended to guide the agency's employees in how to deal with what the IRS calls "frivolous tax arguments." Part 1, "IRS bashes 'frivolous tax arguments," was published in Tuesday's WorldNetDaily.


Tax experts, including one who spent a year researching whether enough states properly ratified the 16th Amendment ? which authorizes Congress to collect income taxes -- are as insistent as ever that Americans are not mandated to pay Uncle Sam a portion of what they earn every year."I've read all of the cases the IRS mentions" in its 25-page document entitled "The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments," said Bill Benson, author of "The Law That Never Was," a book many believe debunks the government's claim that the income tax is legal and that the IRS is a properly authorized government agency.Very simply, he says there is no actual law authorizing an income tax."They must have a law in order to have any of this [the income tax] to apply," Benson told WND. "They must have a law from its inception, and they don't have that."A former criminal investigator for the Illinois Department of Revenue for nearly a decade, Benson said he has "17,000 certified and notarized documents showing that the 16th Amendment is an absolute, complete and total fraud."

When asked where he got the documents, Benson said they came from "the 48 continental United States," gathered during his one-year research effort in 1984 aimed at verifying whether or not the income tax amendment had been properly ratified.

But even activists within the "tax-honesty movement" grasp the reality of the mission they seek to accomplish: namely, to force an admission from the federal government that their arguments are correct. For Uncle Sam to admit his mistake could open the government up to unfair taxation recovery lawsuits that would make even the landmark tobacco litigation lawsuit settled for hundreds of billions of dollars pale in comparison.

"I have made it a personal stand not to argue the code with people. As far as I'm concerned, that is nothing more than willfully walking into quicksand," said Devvy Kidd, another noted tax activist. "You can't win the argument."

In the IRS document cited by Benson, there are lots of references to court cases and IRS code. But the problem, as WND's "TalkNetDaily" radio host and staff writer Geoff Metcalf points out, is getting the federal government to cite the legal chapter and verse of the law that requires mandatory payment of income taxes.

"I have often noted that if in fact we are compelled by law to pay income tax and the 16th Amendment was in fact properly and legally ratified (and it wasn't), then the government should be able to conclude their response in less than five minutes by merely stating, stanza and verse, where the law is, and how it applies: 'See here? Page such and such, paragraph such and such, subparagraph such and such. Now shut up and go home,'" said Metcalf.

One of the most compelling arguments of income tax opponents is the claim that the 16th Amendment was never even properly ratified, although understandably the IRS refutes that.

"This argument is based on the premise that all federal income tax laws are unconstitutional because the Sixteenth Amendment was not officially ratified, or because the State of Ohio was not properly a state at the time of ratification," says the IRS document. "This argument survived over time because proponents mistakenly believe that the courts have refused to address this issue."

However, the IRS says the amendment was properly ratified by "forty states, including Ohio, and issued by proclamation in 1913. Shortly thereafter, two other states also ratified the [A]mendment."

"There were enough states ? even without Ohio to complete" the required three-fourths of the states to ratify the amendment, said the IRS document. "Furthermore, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the income tax laws enacted subsequent" to the ratification of the amendment.

In his research, however, Benson found that only four states ratified the amendment "without changing the wording." He maintains that, constitutionally, states cannot change words or punctuation when voting to accept or reject a constitutional amendment.

"The only thing the states can do is accept or reject the wording (of an amendment) as is," Benson told WND. "The legislatures of each state cannot change any of it. Otherwise, we'd have 48 different versions of the law."

"What is stated [in the IRS document] is a bald-faced lie," Kidd said.

"Since it was never ratified and we can prove it wasn?t, then apportionment is still in effect and again, everything else is moot," she said. The government's "progressive, unapportioned tax is, and always has been, unlawful."

Rather than dicker over IRS codes, legal impressions and court cases, Kidd and other "tax-honesty" proponents believe the key to discovering the legality of income tax lies in proving these contentions:

  • That the IRS is not an authorized agency of the government and has no authority to conduct business;
  • That the government's jurisdiction is not valid;
  • The fraudulent ratification of the 16th Amendment unlawfully wiped out the apportionment clause of the Constitution;
  • That an individual is, without question, forced to involuntarily surrender his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination by filing any income tax form under penalty of perjury.Another area of concern, Kidd says, is that the courts themselves can't even decide, in a universal manner, what constitutes an income tax or what the income tax really is -- direct or excise."That's a fact and it creates what is known as a problem [IRS] document," she said.Even former IRS commissioners have questioned the legitimacy of the very agency they serve."We're confiscating property now. That's socialism. It's written into the Communist Manifesto. Maybe we ought to see that every person who gets a tax return receives a copy of the Communist Manifesto with it so he can see what's happening to him," lamented T. Coleman Andrews, the Democratic commissioner of the IRS during the first 33 months of the Republican administration of President Dwight Eisenhower.But the one fact dogging nearly every tax honesty advocate is this: Regardless of the actual legitimacy of their arguments, the courts, Congress and most of the American public don't see it their way.The IRS can point to dozens of rules, regulations and court cases -- many decided by the U.S. Supreme Court -- backing the agency's position that it has a right to tax all of the income earned by American workers.Also, even critics of the agency acknowledge that it must collect the amount of money Congress approves in the federal budget every year. And once passed, Congress expects the Treasury Department to fill the nation's coffers.

    Finally, most states have agreements with the IRS to provide the agency with information. Under these agreements, individual states and the IRS notify each other about taxpayers that failed to file returns. The only state that does not have such an agreement is Nevada.

    Nevertheless, tax activists say the September meeting in Washington, D.C., will once and for all provide them with an opportunity to address their concerns face-to-face with government and, hopefully, IRS representatives.

    "We intend to prove our points at the hearings next month," Kidd said.

    Related offers:

    "The law that never was," a 2-volume set explaining how the 16th Amendment was never ratified, by Bill Benson.

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Internal Revenue Service Whistleblowers

People are very angry after reading the Tax Code

People who have actually read the tax regulations tend to get very upset, but you'll never hear about them marching upon Washington by watching ABC, CNN or Fox News channel.

Photos: Todd Johnson 2004
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Tax Pro-testers marching upon Washington

Because reading tax regulations is a function of an IRS job, many IRS employees tend to know something the rest of us don't. However, relatively few of them will tell you about it. Brave are those who do, those who actually follow the written tax rules, to live by the truth. When they blow the whistle on our government's own fraud, they risk everything, even giving it all up, to tell you the truth.

Girls, Boys, Sex and Sterilization

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I think the Government minister Dawn Primarolo as reported in the Daily Mail, aught to be drawn and quartered for even thinking this! Her idea, which follows, places all the blame on teenage girls instead of where it belongs, on boys! After all, a girl can't get pregnant by herself! And it is a scientific fact that boys think about sex on the average of twice a minute. Putting pressure on their girlfriends to have sex with them is known to evey female who has ever grown up as a heterosexual. So for this Government minister to say what she has, blatantly disregards the natural state of things and places all the blame WHERE IT DOESN'T BELONG!

If she really wants to stop teenage pregnancy and sexual relations, she should make it mandatory to place all males over the age of 8 in chastity devices. This would eliminate the problem absolutely. Then, we should educate these boys on respect, for themselves, for women, for family, and for disease, which having sexual relations indiscriminately causes. It would also stop rapes in their tracks. Ya, that's the ticket!
Here is the article:

Why we should sterilise teenage girls ... temporarily at least
By FAY WELDON - 15th February 2008

Young mums: 'Not having a baby takes intelligence and planning' (Picture posed by model)

Young mums: 'Not having a baby takes intelligence and planning.' Last week, an intriguing proposition was mooted by Government minister Dawn Primarolo.

Teenage girls, she said, could be steered towards what is described as "long-term contraception".

This is now possible thanks to the development of contraceptive jabs and implants which can last up to five years.

In other words, there is a way of effectively sterilizing girls for a lengthy period of time.

At what age? Well, doesn't 12 until 17 sound rather sensible?

This would have the advantage of bringing down the teenage pregnancy rate, so high in this country it makes us a disgrace among the nations - the worst offenders in Europe.

The abortion rate would fall sharply. And silly young girls could get on with the education that is meant to produce serious, responsible taxpayers, not benefit recipients.

Now, many people will see this modest proposal as little short of horrific - nothing less than state interference in our reproductive lives.

But think about it: it might not be such a bad idea.

We are moving into a science fiction age in which life itself can be created in a test tube, and it seems that, before long, perfect babies could be bred at will, largely free of hereditary disease and illness.

So, in my view, there is little point any more in feeling shock-horror at the idea of mass sterilization.

Neither do I believe it will encourage "promiscuity" because girls will feel they have nothing to fear in sleeping around. In truth, they seem to be doing that already. I'm afraid we are now in a time when sex is mere recreational pleasure to thousands of young women.

The trouble is that pregnancy no longer holds the fear for teenagers it once did. The social stigma has gone.

Indeed, for many, it seems, a child has actually become a kind of perverse badge of honor.

Obviously, there are millions of sensible young girls, but for many, having a baby seems to be the logical, and even desirable, result of their teenage flings.

It it wasn't, they'd stir themselves to do something to prevent themselves getting pregnant, like taking the morning-after pill.

But they don't. Because the benefits of doing nothing to stop it are obvious.

Suddenly, they can give birth to someone who will offer unconditional love in a bleak, busy, money-grubbing world.

The council will offer a free home away from nagging parents. They will have independence, sexual freedom and no more humiliating exams to try to pass - because, more than likely, their education will fall by the wayside.

Nowadays, ask some girls why they want a baby so badly and they will say vaguely: "Oh, I want to fulfill myself."

Once, they would have confidently said of the father: "I love him. And I want a bit of me, a bit of him, to go on for all eternity."

It's not like that any more. Love is seen as little more than a neurotic dependency to the young.

The fear of pregnancy used to stop girls having sex. To be pregnant and unmarried was a major life disaster (as it is still in some of our ethnic communities.)

You were disgraced, soiled goods: the child was removed, no one would marry you.

I had a great aunt locked up for life in an asylum from the age of 20 until she died. She had been declared a "moral imbecile" because she had a baby out of wedlock.

My mother tried to rescue her - but to no avail. The rest of the family was against it. After 30 years, she was so institutionalized, anyway, that she didn't want to leave.

This condemnation of the sexually imprudent was not meant to be unkind. People were poor, babies without fathers suffered and there was no way women could earn money if they had a child.

It was a moral issue but the stigma was born out of necessity: a desperate attempt to stop girls from doing what came naturally until a father and a home could be provided.

But for all that, unwelcome babies went on being born - the human impulse to procreate being what it is.

How to have sex without getting pregnant was in those days a real mystery. Now we know everything there is to know about preventing babies, yet still girls take risks.

Understanding how the body works and what happens next seem to make no difference.

Currently, our teenage pregnancy rate is twice as high as in Germany, three times as high as in France and six times as high as in the Netherlands.

Is this because, in this country, getting pregnant while still at school has become a status symbol for the girls, as ASBOs have for the boys?

In spite of all the efforts of the Government's Teenage Pregnancy Unit, and millions of pounds spent on initiatives to persuade girls that having babies young is a bad, bad thing, the rates stay sky-high.

In 2005, there were 39,804 conceptions by under-18s in England - a rate of 41.3 per thousand.

The trouble for those who would tackle the pregnancy problem is that the very act of warning against pregnancy can be unproductive.

A certain proportion of teenagers like to defy fate - and the more you warn them not to smoke, drink, have sex, stay up late, join gangs, the more they will.

Defying authority, not doing what you're told, is, for many, part of growing up - the search for your own identity, a necessary preparation for leaving the nest. Persuasion doesn't work. The instinct to rebel goes too deep.

Boys have always wanted to have sex and notch up "scores" on the bedpost.

The trouble now is that the girls - who once wanted just to be loved by someone, anyone - are under intense peer pressure, don't want to be outdone or be seen to be 'square', and so behave like the boys.

So much for gender equality in the classroom!

It seems that many of today's girls just like being pregnant, and emotionally and physically - not just practically - have more to gain than lose if they are. Sex education hasn't helped, and may indeed have harmed.

Freud's view of the psycho-sexual development of the child has been ignored. His opinion was that you interfere with the "latency" phase of ages nine to 12 at your peril, for fear of stopping further development.

In Freud's theory, the latency phase is when a child unconsciously denies the facts of life until he or she is ready to face them. If unpalatable facts are forced down the child's throat it's traumatizing, and progression to sexual maturity is halted.

In other words, if you start teaching the birds and the bees too early, all that the nine, ten or 11-year-olds will do is want to experiment with what they have been taught before they have the emotional capability to deal with the fallout.

The Government says it has tried everything to stop pregnancy rates rising - from school matrons to a blizzard of sex education, to free condoms and morning-after pills.

But it's not working. That's why I think sterilizing girls for a few years isn't such a bad idea after all - and, when you think about it, it's a tempting solution for the State, too.

Once you stop your under-20s having babies, there's no end to the social improvements you could make.

If girls go on to college instead of minding babies, fewer children overall will be born. The more educated a girl, the fewer babies she is likely to have - education and fertility rates being in inverse proportion.

The maternity services, now so very over-stretched, would be better able to cope. Young mothers would not have the priority they now do when it comes to housing, and accommodation would be set free for those unfortunates clamouring on the waiting lists.

Education would benefit, too. Classrooms would be less plagued by fatherless lads whose ambition it is to cause nothing but trouble.

I suppose there are other ways we could try to tackle the problem. We could make it a lot less convenient for girls to get into trouble - and one obvious way is to overhaul the benefits system.

When it comes to receiving welfare, girls of 16 are treated as adults (though legally they can't vote or drink), and their parents have no legal obligation to house or support them.

If they won't or can't, then the State must. Putting that age up by a year or two might work wonders.

Then again, the recent law that allows a mother to claim benefits only until her child is six could be repealed because at present it can only encourage her to have another baby in order to keep on claiming benefits. And who wouldn't?

"Getting a job" sounds good - but what kind of local minimum wage job is the unfortunate mother likely to get anyway?

Theory and practice are so different. Another issue is that though many young girls "love babies", they dislike the children they grow up to be. Rearing a child is a lot more difficult than "having a baby".

Watch young mothers slap their troublesome offspring in the supermarket and see what I mean. Because you wanted a baby does not mean you wanted a child - with its separate, possibly difficult personality.

So the children of teenage mothers can suffer, too.

Not having babies takes intelligence, planning, prudence and boring appointments with doctors. The morning-after pill helps, but still means an inquisition from your friendly (or not-so-friendly) neighborhood pharmacist.

So what do we do? Deprive potential children of life by sterilizing a few hundred thousand girls society has decided are "too young" to breed, regardless of their biological capabilities?

Go for the quality of child they might produce in their 20s or 30s, rather than the quantity they could create if they start at 14? That, let's face it, is what's up for discussion.

There is, I admit, a dreadful gender unfairness in the suggestion that teenage girls should be sterilized. Shouldn't boys under 17 have their tubes tied, too? It takes two to make a baby.

What's sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander. Perhaps the Government should start thinking about how that would work.

I wonder what birthday cards for 18-year-olds will look like in future? "I've got the key of the door, never been able to breed before!"

Since science has now devised a way of stopping girls getting pregnant without damaging their longterm reproductive health, the idea of enforcing sterility on girls under 17 seems to me a least worst option.

•Fay Weldon's novel The Spa Decameron is published by Quercus, and her non-fiction book What Makes Women Happy by Harper Perennial, both £7.99.

The comments from women on the article appalled me too! Either these women did not have daughters, or their daughters were over the age of consent, happily married and it no longer mattered. Maybe they were just too ugly? Whatever the case my be, should someone try to sterilize MY daughter he'd be met with a gun pointed exactly where he wouldn't want to even think of it being. I absolutely refuse to believe that males are still making women the scape-goats for their sexual predations.

Just exactly how far down into the medievil times are we willing to go? Just how much control of our lives, sexuality, etc. are we willing to let the Government have? Not me, not this lifetime. The rest of you may find nothing wrong with this idea, but I will fight it to the death!

I guess the oxymoron still holds true about Government Intelligence!